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Just want to say a big thank you to all the players, crew and staff that attended the event this weekend. Despite the weather and the mud it was a successful event.

We will be writing up the event over the next few days.

Again thank you to all.

Mayo aka Mark
Just a few things I wanted to say - some thanks I missed out at the event and some that is repeated!

Huge Thanks to the refs - Habeeb, Lewis, and of course Mark - without the refs the event couldnt of happened.

Thanks also to those who worked behind the scenes before the event - you know who you are, you have developed the plot to where it is - and yes guys it does react to everything you do - your actions directly affect everything that occurs within the Dragonlore world. I do mean the PC's!

Many thanks to those who played DPC roles - you know who you are even if the PCs didnt Wink

To the children - each and every one of you were fantastic - your role playing was wonderful and some of you worked out puzzles that the adults didnt so well done!

Thanks once again to the pc's who evolved the plot far more than you can appreciate!! Wink

To those who helped the clear up/take down - each one of you made our job so much easier huge huge thanks to every single one of you. I am sure without your help we would of been leaving much later than the 6.30 we finally did!

Finally a last thanks once more to the chef - it was no mean feat keeping the event well fed and watered and to rp as well and I think he did a fantastic job Smile

Dragonlore was developed to give families a place to rp together - where adults and children could enjoy the sport together and hopefully this weekend proved it can be done - I know I personally loved rping with all the children and watching them work things out - hopefully you all did to and we will see you again at our next event later this year Smile

Many many thanks to you all for a fabulous weekend Smile

One last point if we did something you didnt like please tell us - if you liked what we did please tell others Smile

Buffy
HEH HEH well done all, tremendous fun thanks to all involved Smile
Massive thanks to everyone involved, i had great fun, and thanks to a mix of plot and a select few PCs (you know who you are) managed a fair few character deaths too Smile

--Lewis
echoing all of the above, esp food and crew - thanks
will gladly tell everyone - just have one minor comment to make - and this is NOT due to a well aimed sword [the ye is now a beautiful purple if you were wondering!]
people - is it posisble that we ALL could learn to pull our blows a little more - esp with children - i had a fair few bouts that i'd have whinged baout n toher systems. Age is not the issue here but awareness of age is. i'd generally noticed that it was a mizture of people who weren't pulling blows.
that was it really - oh and the rum. why is it that the rum is always gone??
Great weekend guys thanks - tested out my own sword this time Smile...want more weapons now!!! Big Grin

But seriously thanks to all those that kept us running and slipping about in the mud! And it was good to meet a few new people...until next time.

As to the rum, I've generally found it best to look towards Buffy and Mark to find where it has gone ;P
I was only borrowing it Wink

Buffy Wrote:
Huge Thanks to the refs - Habeeb, Lewis, and of course Mark - without the refs the event couldnt of
happened.


Absolutely, huge thanks to all four refs...

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To the children - each and every one of you were fantastic - your role playing was wonderful and some of you worked out puzzles that the adults didnt so well done!


Yep. Everyone, from about-as-young-as-possible to not-so-young, was a pleasure to role play with and a joy to be around.


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Finally a last thanks once more to the chef - it was no mean feat keeping the event well fed and watered and to rp as well and I think he did a fantastic job Smile


Indeed, special thanks from Mr Fussy over here!
Top marks to that cook.


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One last point if we did something you didnt like please tell us - if you liked what we did please tell others Smile


I don't think there was anything I specifically didn't like: No real cause to grumble at all.
I've a few "observations", but they are very far from serious issues, just very minor odds and ends.
{Having got to the end of the post I realise that I've written quite a lot, so I just thought I'd come back and emphasise that I'm very much not wanting to have a rant but hopefully provide some useful and constructive feedback}

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It feels like DragonLore is written/aimed at being a very Heroic system ~ PCs are heroes who slay vile monsters and save the world.
Yet a lot of the PCs who were around seemed to be ambivalant about such things.
Obviously it's very much down to individual players to create characters that they will enjoy playing, and I'm certainly not critisising anyone's choice of character. I'm just trying to gently suggest that having a whole bunch of "I don't care" characters isn't likely to lead to much in the way of Epic Action.

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It may well just be due to my "upbringing" in the LRP systems I've played, but the fact that people were changing characters as often as seemed to be happening left me feeling a bit off balance. As if I just didn't have enough time to build up a relationship with someone before they were dead or had wandered off.


Partly, I suppose, it was reflected in the fact that very few characters seemed to care that someone else had died there was little by way of shock or sorrow, just the odd shrug.

It came accross as players thinking "oh well, he'll just start a new character", not as "oh my word, someone's just died!" I realise it wasn't endemic, that there were a few characters who showed remorse but, on the whole, that complete lack of concern for other characters (for other people from an IC perspective) just seemed weird.

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It also seemed that players were changing character when they felt like it. Again I'm not out and out saying "this is a bad thing" (and it's definately not aimed at any person/people in partiular, so I hope no one takes this comment personally).
I am just worried that it sort of makes the concept of attrition irrelevant as well as contributing to the difficulty of
characters being able to "bond" with one another.
If I play "Wizard 1" I could just cast all of my Wound, Heal and Fumble spells in the first couple of fights that I'm involved in. Then I decide to change characters. I play "Wizard 2", who casts all of his spells in the next two fights. I move on to "Wizard 3". Come the end of the event "Wizard 42" is geared up and survives the big last battle by dint of having all of his spells available...
Obviously that's taking things to absolute extremes (and, again, I'll point out that I'm not saying anyone actually did do this), just to make the point that I feel something like this was happening on a lesser scale and that I don't see it as being a good thing. Part of the design of the system implies that characters have limited resources (spells available in this example) and that those are supposed to be streched out to last the whole event.

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Having said that I'd very much love to see some means by which characters can regain those resources. Perhaps sitting around and resting for about half an hour could allow a fighter to recuperate enough that he could manage to use his Knock Back ability one more time?
Perhaps sitting in a medative trance, or burning some incense for a while, or saying prayers to their deity, could allow a spell caster who spends time and effort doing so the chance to recharge a used spell?
Partly because being left without anything funky to use can get a bit boring...
Then again, for all I know, it may well be possible to do these things already but no-one's explored this area sufficiently!

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I realise this may be something of a reccurring issue, and I know you've already said that you don't want the system to involve
a high quantity of damage calls, but it still doesn't feel like the Critical Strike ability is worth having.
Out of interest, and as a general question, has anyone yet played a character with it and found it useful?
My feeling is that if I'm fighting a creature that's got (say) 5 hits per location I'm likely much better off using a Disarm or a Strike Down to get a significant advantage in the fight, compared to using an ability that just means I have to hit it 4 times instead of 5...
It just doesn't feel like a "Critical Hit" I suppose.

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The "Gather Herbs" skills just don't seem worthwhile either.
They are nice role-play/background style abilities to have, but just don't seem to have had anything by way of practical use.
I realise though that may just be because both events so far have had a well stocked "alchemy corner" and the players havn't needed to go picking flowers...
It just seems that they should have some relevance ~ that the people who have spent points on buying abilities should be able to get some actual use out of them. Possibly some form of bonus for brewing a potion with fresh ingrediants?

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On a different tack entirely: What are Rift Demons supposed to be like?
Are they "corrupted people", in that they bleed, have organs and vitals and such (so you could slit their throats, poison them, and generally fight them in the same way you could a Human or an Orc)?
Or are they strange magical beings that are formed in some other way (so they don't bleed, can't be poisoned etc)?
I only ask because I got poisoned while playing one and had no idea if it was supposed to work or not...
I erred on the side of caution/the player and died from it on the day, but thought I'd ask for future reference.

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The "Wound" spell:
I know you've previosuly said that armour protects against its effect, but one of the referees said that he thought it ignored armour and just inflicted a Hit Point. Maybe it's worth having a bit of a conflab and making it clear (one way or the other) in the rules?

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Monstering.
On the first event you had a dedicated {and very keen} Monster team. I was expecting this event to be the same, so it came as a bit of a surprise to be asked if I was up for some monstering.
It wasn't a problem to be asked, on the contrary I was quite happy to do so, it was just unexpected.
I'd just suggest putting out something in advance to let people know that they may be asked ~ or even simply that they are welcome to volunteer their services at any point they feel like it.
That way players will know to bring a few bits of spare kit with them to change in to etc.

I'd also suggest trying to organise monsters in some sort of rota?
Have one team that works (say) from Breackfast to Lunch, then another from Lunch to Dinner and so on.
That way people will know when to quietly pop out to the monster mustering point without needing a ref to round them up.
They'll also be able to avoid the need to constantly change into/out of character costume.
Possibly just too tricky to balance perfectly, but may be worth a try ~ especially if you know in advance that a couple
of players are up for doing 1 shift on Saturday but someone else is keen to do a lot of monstering: It'd let you plan out
when to have large numbers of bad guys and when you've only got a few available.


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Walkie-Talkies; Having seen these used a lot in a couple of systems I've been involved in, I'd highly recomend getting hold of a set. That way the referee who is with the monster team can communicate with the "player ref" very easily.
If the monsters need more time to set things up the players can be told to faff around instead of rushing off down the path.
If the monsters are ready and waiting the players can be given the nod and know that it's fine for them to set out.



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Anyhow, as I said, minor issues, no real fuss or bother, just small tweaks and odd bits of disjointed feedback.
Cheers again, and I really did have a fantastic time ~ even the weather didn't get anyone down.
Looking forward to event 3!
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Pete

Thanyou everyone for a great event. I mean everyone.

Pete has said a lot that makes sense and I tend to agree with him on the character changing. I will point out though that there were a lot of deaths.
(At the next event I am going to try to stick with just Greenfella bringing in my other characters as NPCs for plot only.)

I think that as players develop there will be more reaction to player deaths. Possibly even better organisation among the players. Some of this can be rectified if there is a clear leader and deputy - something the players should sort out maybe??

I really enjoyed the event and am looking forward to the next - whenever it is!

Thankyou again,

Dave
Characters deaths and their frequency are always a hard one to try and balance. I think in many ways part of the reason for the high number of deaths I have seen in the two events I have been at is due to characters not working more closely together and no-one seeming to want to step up to the role of being leader. I also think many people have experiences where from other systems where they are stand-offish towards other players because they are not prepared to trust them for any number of reasons, or the fact that a lot of people like to play 'dark motives' or 'anti-heroes'.

It is a shame that players did not seem to mourn the falling of their companions, perhaps a way to address this would be to have the fallen character to return to haunt the players in some form of plot? (only being allowed to play a new character the next morning? Ghost or monster crew until then?) Spawning from that idea, we could perhaps see a rise in some sort of holy order to bless the fallen or pay respect to those that have left us?

From my own point of view I was unhappy when Sarif fell as he had been a companion at he last event and I believe there may have been some confusion over seeing to his corpse straight away what with dinner being served. It was mine and Oaks intention to go straight to his corpse after eating to adress this, but by then we were told his corpse had vanished. In hindsight, I would have preferred to have gone hungry then left a fallen comrade lie out there to vanish. I have also reiterated in my thread 'A Stern' how important an impact it has made on Ned to have Tyrioses with him as the other survivor of the 24hr linear.

In reflection, it comes down to how lethal the plot team want the system to be. A frequent change of characters through death through own character stupidity cannot be faulted. However, if the monsters start to 'coup de grace' fallen characters or an age old problem begins where the monsters see themselves as being there to kill characters, then it will become a severe problem that may kill a pleasant system. Some people, stupidity aside only have a certain amount of kit, especially if they are starting out and will feel jaded if they frequently have to spawn a new character wearing the same kit as the last. Opposed to this, many players get identified as longstanding characters (c'mon, we all know at least someone by an IC name of a character they have played!)

For my own experience of the weekend, I was a little disappointed to leave IC on the saturday evening just after the evening meal, but this was done purely out of IC reasons, which I hope to explore further with the plot I have unexpectedly been given, it clashes or forces some of my earlier IC experiences and has forced a change in how I am enacting them, but this is to be expected from, or through roleplay. This change of character also meant it tied in, from my own point of view, that I was leaving early sunday morning. It allowed me to create a new character for the saturday night which took an unexpected turn, but was also a thoroughly enjoyable roleplaying experience (thanks Paul!)

Im sure all the plot team for DLL will take the feedback and make use of it in their own way, and I look forward to the next event!
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